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hydrogen - broncomatt - 07-08-2008
I have said for some time that the auto world would be going to Hydrogen.
Now the goverment is letting the information out.
We spent some time reserching it, and it does work.
Our dealership will soon be selling the kits to put on for people.
I will be making my own. Check out the web site, and youtube and see for your self.
Brownsgas.com
Works on any engine, look for one on my ranger soon:popc1:
Broncomatt
hydrogen - cuz1 - 07-08-2008
I know a lot of people are skeptical but it makes good since to me. I have seen the waterforgas web site and believe it to work. One of my customers his brother is the head of the hrdrogen development for GM and they have plenty of military trucks on the road runnning on pure hydrogen. Some people say it will not work and I have this to say. Remember the Hendenburg? If it is combustible it will work. It is the most abundant element in the universe. Very curious as to how yours works Matt. Keep us posted with pics.:popc1:
cw
hydrogen - chuzie - 07-08-2008
This will be interesting!
hydrogen - bucketobolts - 07-09-2008
This falls into the realm of the perpetual motion machine. Simple laws of physics apply, the conservation of energy states that the total amount of energy in any isolated system remains constant and cannot be recreated but only change forms. Electrolysis is not the most efficient way of producing hydrogen, anyways, and it will take way more electrical energy to produce the hydrogen then the hydrogen can turn into power by being burn in an internal combustion engine. Sort of like attempting to drive a Class 8 tractor around while trying power a refinery on its back to keep it fueled.
This comes not from oil giants trying to suppress the "little guy", but straight from 2 years of chemistry and physics.
Besides MythBusters has already BUSTED this theory.
hydrogen - trkbilder - 07-09-2008
If you believe everything you see on mythbusters, you're in deep doo!! There is a guy on Broncos.org who is working on a kit for B2 and he says it works. I think I'd rather believe him. There is also thread on "youtube" where this guy is building an HHO system for his ride. He is tinkering with more and more electrical current to produce the most electrolsis. I THINK IT CAN BE DONE, just my $.02.:biggthumpup:
hydrogen - bucketobolts - 07-09-2008
Sorry, but I didn't base my previous comment on a TV show, but rather basic laws of energy which date back to before Galileo in the 1600's. I will put the proven knowledge of Newton, Einstein, or Joule' against any mechanic that says this will work.
Not saying that you can't run a car on Hydrogen. Just that you cannot produce it in enough quantities or efficiently enough to gain a benefit.
Then consider this. At room temperature and pressure, hydrogen's density is so low that it contains less than one-three-hundredth the energy in an equivalent volume of gasoline. Chilled to near absolute zero (−459.67 ÃâðF), hydrogen gas turns into a liquid containing one-quarter the energy in an equivalent volume of gasoline. At best your homemade generator could be 25-40% efficient. Assuming you are using platinum as your anode and cathode with two separate vessels to contain your oxygen and hydrogen. So how much energy do you think you can get out of a couple ounces of water?
Now do we want to discuss how to meter the hydrogen to the engine?
I'm not trying to bash someones ideas, but I don't want to see friends get scammed or rooked out of money.
hydrogen - johnpaulgolf - 07-09-2008
Matt please keep us informed...can't wait...:popc1:
hydrogen - chuzie - 07-09-2008
So basically you are better off using your battery to power the car directly rather than using battery power to produce hydrogen
hydrogen - bucketobolts - 07-09-2008
chuzie Wrote:So basically you are better off using your battery to power the car directly rather than using battery power to produce hydrogen
If you could make a hydrogen generator big enough to run your car without gasoline, the alternator wouldn't be able to replace the electricity in the battery it would take to produce the hydrogen. You cannot use an electric motor to power a vehicle with battery and drive an alternator to charge itself. When you build an isolated energy system, you will only have so much potential energy available to be used. You will lose a portion when the energy changes states. The rest will be used to power your machine. If you used that machine to solely replenish its fuel, it will never refill the energy source. Because fact that the laws of physics do not change, you cannot produce more energy than you have available.
Now if you had a tank and filled it with hydrogen like you do gasoline, then used that tank to run the car is a different story all together.
hydrogen - cuz1 - 07-09-2008
Of course the system in question is a supplement to gas. Also, we are talking about an electrical current that triggers a chemical reaction. The electricity is not doing all the work.
It will be interesting to see what Matt comes up with.
Regardless of the outcome it has people thinking and considering alternative fuels. That is the key to future success.
Want to see something interesting check this out.
http://www.pickensplan.com/